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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 28, 2007 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Thieves amongst Us

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/clt/359427733.html

Anybody wanna buy hundreds of bootleg Grateful Dead tapes for $100.00? A thief is ripping the band off right in their own backyards; but they would rather go after the archive'org bunch for giving it away for free. Selling your bootleg tape collection is illegal as hell!

Here is your thief, Bobby Ace, just up the road in Santa Rosa California. It shouldn't take long to drive up US 101 and have him arrested. We aren't making dirty money here...

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Poster: Fishead Date: Jun 28, 2007 6:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

hey if someones dumb enough to pay 100.00 for old used tapes ..fool born every second..no need to even have tapes anymore with all the remaster and excellent recordings that are being offered to download ...tapes are a waste of time ...i tossed most of mine ...

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Poster: patkelley Date: Jun 28, 2007 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

I dont have any tapes left either. If I found an old one somewhere, I wouldnt even have a tape player to play it on. If this guy was doing this for 8 or 10 dollars, that would be one thing, but $100? That's a bit much I think.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Jun 28, 2007 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

yes it's a bit much --unless those tapes are in perfect
condition /barely played they may be worth 6 bucks!

gotta be a fool to pay that ~~~

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Jun 28, 2007 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us

selling tapes!!!!!MMMMMMMMMMM,tapes are obselete now ,but the music belong's to rhino now!!!and theyre damm sure going to make theyre buck!!! and rhino will be around alot longer than you or i or those obselete tapes!!! peace!!!! :) wwd. long live the dead!!!! :}

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Jun 28, 2007 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us

Considering the price that Deadbase copies can fetch, combined with the cost of tapes, I'd say that's actually not a bad deal. I don't see anything wrong with that, and I honestly can't imagine that anybody in the band would be all that upset with that seller.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 28, 2007 3:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us

agreed - i didnt know the books were included - hey, i dont think the guy is trying to pull anything either - probably just needs a buck

not sure any of us wouldnt do the same if we needed a buck either

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jun 28, 2007 5:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

I agree that it is kind of petty, but I'm not sure how much of a violation of the Deadhead code it is. I've read where it's supposed to be okay to sell tapes at a price one could expect to get for blanks. At $100 for 600 tapes, this guy's only getting 16 cents per!

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 28, 2007 6:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

They still don't like it unless you erase the music before you sell the used tapes. All you need is a magnet to do that easily. I have one that you slide the cassettes thru a slot like a credit card. GoodBye music...

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Jun 28, 2007 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

we used to send blanks and return postage to our brothers who generously made copies for us if we didn't have much worthwhile in the way of other shows to trade, and in some cases it was easier to just send money to cover the expenses (i even remember someone sending me back the receipts and change along with the tapes)

if i follow your logic Cousin, would it be ok if a tape is first erased, paid for, and only then re-recorded with the same show for free??...although i think you may have a point in that once a used tape is erased, it may not have any value whatsoever...as in the motto of days long past, "anything worth recording deserves to be recorded on a fresh new tape"

good thread

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 28, 2007 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

Amen man. I still trade CDs for new blanks and don't get involved with money changing hands. What somebody pays for blanks and what I paid for mine is nobody's business. and by the book as far as GDM is concerned.

Been known to burn a CD and then get high with a friend because one of us had some weed on that day...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 28, 2007 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

i dont even get the cd's for blanks - the friggin things are so cheap now - why even bother - what comes around goes around -

so i spend $4- $10 bucks in blanks and postage to make someone happy - i get the same back in return - and usually from someone else who i never sent to.

i fuckin hate someone who has a show and says send me the blanks first and then i'll mail you the show (with one simple personal exception which was a massive mailing)

that is bullshit and cheap

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 28, 2007 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

Point well taken. Cost of blanks is common--or send the blanks and have them returned recorded.

If you guys want to gt uppity, AND you want to put your money where your indignation is, I suggest you start here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Grateful-Dead-Cream-Puff-War-San-Francisco-1966-CD-2002_W0QQitemZ230147235372QQihZ013QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Grateful-Dead-Unsurpassed-Volume-5-CD-2001-RARE-OOP_W0QQitemZ230147233318QQihZ013QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Still-Truckin-Grateful-Dead-CD-1993_W0QQitemZ270137986171QQihZ017QQcategoryZ307QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


and so on.

Ebay sells tons of boots daily. This is where Kidd bought the cds that he took to the meeting at which DP was born.

C'mon. how many of you ever bought a bootleg disc or c.d.?

I did. I'm not sweating the band's losses here. Their losses are due to poor business decisions and poor management.

What pisses me off is the negative vibes of the bootleggers. It is a black mark on the honor system when boots appear from Charlie Miller dls--black mark on a black sheep lurking in the community, and a black mark against the clearly stated wishes of the GD AND Mr. Miller.

Immoral to sell or boot? Damn right. Against the fabric of the tribe? Damn right. Going to contact ebay and finger all the bootlegs for them to be removed? Are you?

Sometimes I do email Ebay to inform them that certain sellers are bootleggers. But more fun is emailing the bidders and pointing them to the dl sites the bootleggers got their stuff from.


Try it sometime. If you aren't part of the solution, you a part of the problem.

B.T.W.--what do you think about Craigslist carrying adverts for prostitutes?

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 28, 2007 6:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: link to ebay for boots


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Poster: BryanE Date: Jun 28, 2007 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

The second GD purchase I ever made was a bootleg LP recorded at my first show. Before I hooked up with someone in college who had a tape collection, I bought a number of different boots. Even though I understood the implications, I still took advantage of the availability of that stuff. I guess that makes me a bad person. I just wish I could say that buying those records was the worst thing I ever did.

I'm trying to do better, though.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 28, 2007 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

I don't think that it makes you a "bad" person at all, Bryan.
I remember at Gaelic Park that I bought the infamous "Mammary Productions" boot from Winterland 1970. I loved that thing.

I doubt that we stop and think when buying a boot--and I doubt that it really hurts the band (maybe 500 copies are pressed of some of these, and then they get "liberated"). I do feel that one either condones or condemns this practice. (Or, I suppose, doesn't give a shit). I cannot condemn what I have been a part of (I cannot cast the first stone), but if this sort of profiteering bothers anyone--for whatever reason--then be proactive.

I don't buy boots anymore and haven't for years---after all, why buy the cow when the milk's free? of course, the same argument is made viz Dead.net's releases. Why buy 2-19-71 if you already have a nice copy?

Ah, moral dilemmas--where would we be without them????


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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 28, 2007 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

The worst part is where the guy says "I want them to go to a worthy Dead Head." What the f**k? This guy is so far from being a Head it aint even funny. Loser. I gave away about 200 tapes at a yard sale to some random dude who showed up in a sweet Jerry tye dye. I wasn't even thinking of unloading the tapes, but we got to talking and I figured, at the time, he would enjoy them more than me and I offered them to him, which he accepted with great joy. Great moment. Selling bootlegs to "True Dead Heads?" This guy makes me ralph. And you're right about sending Bobby up to put a legal beat down on the guy. Hopefully he'll be wearing the same shorts as in the picture posted below. Dude'll think Richard Simmons is beating the crap out of him.

OK, maybe "loser" is a bit harsh, I have often espoused the virtues of being non-judgemental; but this goes against the grain of what I interpret out little family's spirit. Well, to each his own, and considering the recent news about Mark Karan, this is rather insignificant.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 28, 2007 5:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amonst Us

I have given away tapes too, SDH. and will do it again. So I flagged this illegal craigslist ad and sent a note to the brilliant minds who wrote those songs. Something tells me that Barlow and Hunter would actually go after some real thieves; because we aren't doing it for the dirty money here...

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Poster: nagdot Date: Jun 28, 2007 6:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us

ill bet 1$ if the archive wasnt here someone here would buy them .oh no wait a deadhead wouldnt buy them, they want everything for free. thats why this site is here .get shows for free then complain cuz its mp3. half the downloads here are from ppl who never saw the grateful dead. had y'all bought the records instead of lookin for miracles maybe the boys woulda made more of them.now i see what bobby has been complainin about .they arent makin money cuz no one is buying just taking .thats the true thievery right there. i even bet(1$)if there was a service fee to use this site more than half of y'all wouldnt use it.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 28, 2007 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us. I'm sure I'll get slammed for this.

I love the rush to judgement here!! I don't pretend to know this guy or where he is coming from, but, at $100 I don't see any real evil motive here.While I understand some of you giving away your music, and I have done more of my share as well, I don't neccesarily view this as some sort of thief profiting from the Dead. Not everyone can afford to just give away 600 tapes and two books (He may have spent upwards of $1,500 just for the blanks and books, not to mention the countless hours putting together a collection). This could just be a guy who is in a pickle and needs some quick cash. My guess is that Someone who is looking for a profit would ask for a lot more than $100.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 28, 2007 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us. I'm sure I'll get slammed for this.

Idon't think that it is offensive to try to recoup one's actual tape investment. My guess is that as a craigslister, he is need of some cash, so he is "pawning" his tapes. Even if he is just sick of them or has dl'd a tin digitally, this is not the big fish.

It would be nice if we all took our old stuff we no longer wanted and gave it all away. But we have yard sales. I don't think the guy is selling his tapes to profit from the music--otherwise, he could sell them for more than the price of the tapes.

As mentioned above--if this guy pisses you off, then go to ebay and vent your feelings by going after the blatant bootleggers that proliferate the dead's pages--as well as others. Not only are they clearly illegal, but many of them simply burn a cdr, download some art from the web, slap a 5 cent cover on the deal and give it a clever name.

There is a guy from Argentina who keeps--well, kept--changing names and selling cdrs of the Art Ensemble of Chicago's live music. The AEC are not wealthy, and the sale of their music bugged me. I spent 6 months chasing this "white whale" until I got him cleared off at last. But that one was personal.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 28, 2007 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us

“Thieves?” Gimmie a break. While in general I- like most everyone else here -oppose the selling of Dead bootlegs on general principal, I don't really see the big deal with some poor schmoe who, while cleaning out his garage, decides to sell his tape collection for a measly $100 many years after virtually everyone deep-sixed their tapes in favor of CDs. I’m not endorsing it, but it’s certainly hard to get upset about this when (as others have pointed out above) I see so many “pro am” Dead CDs in heavy circulation at places like eBay- true assholes taking freely traded shows, dressing them up, and passing them off by the truckload as “rare” to people who don’t know any better.

As for the the so-old-they-fart-cobwebs crybaby gripes about Weir and the soundboards, whatever- the GD has given its fans a hell of a lot more for free than any other band on their level I know of, and if they want to keep a closer eye on the books at the end of the day, more power to 'em.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 28, 2007 12:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us

Indeedee. As I mentioned above, the ebay banditos do a lot more "ripping off" than the poor shmock mentioned above. Bootlegging will always exist--it does cost the industry a ton of money, but it is their job to protect their product.
Still, if eabying of boots gets anyone's dander up--have at it. I still favor the idea of emailing the bidders with a link
to shnflac or with an offer to copy said tape free of charge.

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Poster: Scrim Date: Jun 28, 2007 12:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us

The Deadbase books aren't cheap. I think I spent over $100 on the last one I purchased new.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 28, 2007 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us

DeadBase is a comercial product. It isn't illegal to sell your used copies of a licensed product.

The crooks on ebay should be dealt with too. Unfortunately, their secret police are too busy looking for old rusty German helmets with a swastika decal on them. These pictures alone, will get you banned from ebay because its illegal in foreign contries.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/clt/361682513.html

http://sfbay.craigslist.orgnbyclt358319227.html

A French law prohibiting the posession and display of Adolf Hitler's NAZI war souvenirs applies to a company based in San Jose California, USA. Our copyright laws apparently do not. What bunch of BullShit...

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Jun 28, 2007 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thieves amongst Us, literally

It's not just the dead and it's not just ebay

http://www.archive.org/details/PRiNCE_SHiT

Dozens of movies and songs are posted right here on the archive everyday.